Curse

cebalrai · May 30, 2010, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Unfortunatly it is all true. I don't know who you think you are to say that it's all lies but I would have no reason to lie about something anyone who had knowledge about the GW file could find themselves.

You may not wish to believe it, but you have no right to tell lies.

How about showing some evidence?

StormX · May 30, 2010, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Sorry but if you have no idea what you're talking about please refrain from posting. You cannot resign in codex and earn hero rank from it, or champ rank for that matter.

My bad, i thought C4 referred to codex 4. Which can be farmed by resigning.

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Originally Posted by Kiky

Yes it is but still it doesnt worth perma ban, codex is like a lowest end of pvp we can consider it pve. (I didn't synch codex)
Also synchers can be understood since there is absolutely no enemy in codex and they want a joke title just for fun.

nice try, tell that to anet. i'm not familiar with the exact details but i'm sure some kind of autoclicker or macro is involved, making it a bannable offence.

Ashius · May 30, 2010, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Anet likely can't determine who botted only in the Isle of the Nameless.

That's the risk that Isle botters decided to take, no? They had no business botting anywhere and knew they'd be risking dire consequences.

And seriously, these people which you speak of are surely a tiny percentage of botters. Barely worth talking about.

But they still make up a percentage. And that is potentially comprised of players who have legitimately played the game for years, and suffer due to a generalised respose by A-Net. And A-Net have the resourses to determine where you click your mouse, so they should be able to determine what outpost you're in.

Kiky · May 30, 2010, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You don't seem to understand that the "I only botted a little bit" excuse is a poor rationalization for cheating.

If people didn't want to get caught and punished they should have simply not cheated in the first place. You know as well as I do that Anet doesn't have the resources to do a full investigation into each and every account that botted.

Stop acting like such a stinking victim.

Okay so here it is, maybe this issue didn't affect u in the troll tusk farming but imagine:
Few weeks ago we couldn't play gvg/ha or any pvp format because botting was so widespread so u have two choices first is quit gw if u dont quit then u actually enjoy the game and want to play it so the second option left which is trying the bot urself and check the following things: try the bot with mesmer with different bot options on, try it with ranger with different options on so u can see at what time the bot interrupts therefore u can fake+waste an interrupt of the bot also if u realize it's a bot after the second rupt u can play against it more effectively.
But unfortunately the tester got the same punishment as the massive gold cape botter(wont mention names).

cebalrai · May 30, 2010, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Ashius

But they still make up a percentage. And that is potentially comprised of players who have legitimately played the game for years, and suffer due to a generalised respose by A-Net. And A-Net have the resourses to determine where you click your mouse, so they should be able to determine what outpost you're in.

They don't suffer because of a generalized response by Anet. They suffer because of their decision to bot.

Stop blaming Anet for people deciding to engage in botting.

Ashius · May 30, 2010, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

They don't suffer because of a generalized response by Anet. They suffer because of their decision to bot.

Stop blaming Anet for people deciding to engage in botting.

No, I'm blaming A-Net for the way they handled the varying levels of offence. When you actually look at the situation, the RMT botter got it better than the one-time IotN botter.

@Tullzinski - Nice troll. *claps*

Trub · May 30, 2010, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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But unfortunately the tester got the same punishment as the massive gold cape botter(wont mention names).

And, you have to ask yourself....WHY would he take this risk upon himself...and not ASK ANet to 'test' *cough* this bot...for the good of PvP kind?
WHY didn't his guildies try to talk him out of this?
Do you see where I'm going with all this??
Personal responsibility.
ANet ain't my mother...They don't HAVE TO tell me to keep my hands off the burner all the time, to prevent being banned, erm....burnt.

I'm sorry..the 'test-a-bot' excuse is painfully lame.

Jinkies · May 30, 2010, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

How about showing some evidence?

I've pretty much thoroughly explained my rationality in my first post. Posting a lot of code from the GW files would do nothing considering it is obvious you lack the knowledge to understand it.

If you would like to explain how I am a liar, and provide your explanation for why people who used injection based bots from early March to mid May were banned, and other who used non injection based bots, or who set up bot accounts within the last 1-1.5 weeks, or used bots only prior to March were not banned be my guest

I have no reason to lie, your argument, for the sake of argument does nothing to advance the original purpose of this thread which if I may reiterate was to discuss RMT botters and exploiters.

If you care to know, Anet also has packet detection from the server side. You see as you play GW your client side emites packets which are sent to the server side, this is normal and helps the game function. When you bot your client sends over more packets then normal and sets off alarms on the server side.

Depending on the script you run, you may or may not send large quantities of packets to the server side. With the PacketFaker script as an example, it sends reverse packets to the client side only which trick your client into thinking you are recieving packets from the server side. This allows a bunch of possibilites, such as spamming r15 hero emotes, and r12 zaishen.

For the majority of bots, the packets go relatively unnoticed by Anet (or so we thought) because the actual number being sent to the server side was not much different from what it would normally be. (unless you did somthing weird like send a zillion packets to the server side to auto make your char lvl 20 or somthing)

Kiky · May 30, 2010, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Trub

And, you have to ask yourself....WHY would he take this risk upon himself...and not ASK ANet to 'test' *cough* this bot...for the good of PvP kind?
WHY didn't his guildies try to talk him out of this?
Do you see where I'm going with all this??
Personal responsibility.
ANet ain't my mother...They don't HAVE TO tell me to keep my hands off the burner all the time, to prevent being banned, erm....burnt.

I'm sorry..the 'test-a-bot' excuse is painfully lame.

Maybe lame but still the truth, also i dont find it lame if u actually want to play the game and after 6 months massive bots being in pvp sad but have to accept that bots have become the part of the game.
Can u imagine how pissed off we did get when we got owned by the Xth group of botters after a 15 mins match in HA? Or how hard it was to realize if he bot or not? The best we could do is test the bot so play against them by the rule of "u can't bullshit a bullshitter"

Xiao Erh · May 30, 2010, 06:25 PM // 18:25

There are so many thread starters relating to the recent ban of those who were caught cheating or exploiting the game. Seriously, all banned players should take issue directly to Anet because no one in this forum can do anything about it but only feed the banned trolls. This particular thread itself hints of vindictiveness against others who may have escape the first wave of the tsunami.

To those who were never tempted and to those who might have been tempted to cheat, congratulations and happy gaming. To those who were banned and those that may be banned on the next round, we are sorry but you had been warned and know the consequences. You guys were laughing at us before I bet, so take your medicine for you know you deserved it. I for one have better things to do in GW than to read the QQ's and those with an axe to grind against ANet for being banned.

Jinkies · May 30, 2010, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You may or may not be a liar. But you're refusing (or more likely unable) to present any kind of evidence for your claims.

Until you do, you're easily dismissed as just another random cryer.

Simply saying I have not provided any evidence does not mean I have not done so. At this point I don't know what is left to prove. What exactly are you not understanding? The fact that only people who botted between xxx-xxx were banned? The fact that only those who used injection based apps were banned? The fact that your GW client gives out packets?

Kiky · May 30, 2010, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

You may or may not be a liar. But you're refusing (or more likely unable) to present any kind of evidence for your claims.

Until you do, you're easily dismissed as just another random cryer.

Well he is not a liar, only the people who used injection type bot got banned AND only those who used bot before 2-1.5 weeks before the ban so this uber leet ultimate inspection by anet was nothing just for marketing.
I saw many pvp interrupt botters running free online with their main account they simply didn't bot for 2 weeks = got away with it.

Trub · May 30, 2010, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Maybe lame but still the truth, also i dont find it lame if u actually want to play the game and after 6 months massive bots being in pvp sad but have to accept that bots have become the part of the game.
Can u imagine how pissed off we did get when we got owned by the Xth group of botters after a 15 mins match in HA? Or how hard it was to realize if he bot or not? The best we could do is test the bot so play against them by the rule of "u can't bullshit a bullshitter"

And that is where the mistake was made.
It isn't your call to make....to 'mold' the game around what you want...how "everyone else" is playing.
You saw the problem with bots..did you report them immediatly?
Did you send screen shots, ect. to back your findings?
Of course ANet can't react as quickly as they would have liked to the ruptbots...there were so many.
ANet isn't full of super heroes...it takes time to gather the needed info to act on these things.
Most people...leave until the problem is fixed....or playing with those that DON'T have to bot...(alliances and such)

HA is a blast...and I'm loving it even more after 05/29/10!

Kiky · May 30, 2010, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Trub

And that is where the mistake was made.
It isn't your call to make....to 'mold' the game around what you want...how "everyone else" is playing.
You saw the problem with bots..did you report them immediatly?
Did you send screen shots, ect. to back your findings?
Of course ANet can't react as quickly as they would have liked to the ruptbots...there were so many.
ANet isn't full of super heroes...it takes time to gather the needed info to act on these things.
Most people...leave until the problem is fixed....or playing with those that DON'T have to bot...(alliances and such)

HA is a blast...and I'm loving it even more after 05/29/10!

Okay seems like u didnt read my posts carefully enought to see I didn't ruptbot in HA nor in GVG.
Also i reported those with rupt bot EVERY SINGLE TIME for 4 months and still absolutely nothing happened to them.
Why should i send screenshot about an interrupt? Do u actually know what u are talking about or what interrupt is? No i didn't send screenshots and i find it useless to send any of them.
Anet isn't full of super heroes but i think an anti bot action could have been done before (and im saying this again) it was so widespread.
NOTE: I'm crying because no actions has been taken for 6 months about bot so 90% of the players wouldn't even have the chance for botting = more player could be playing the game and also more player whould have had more fun.

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Silly post. Banning 3700+ botting accounts accomplished quite a bit.

In your goofy little world, if there are still a few running around that haven't been caught yet, the whole endeavor is a failure?

Huh?

It's not a failure because some botters are still running free, it's a failure because they could have done it faster with less bans or judge a bit more fair: guy whos getting rl money from farming ectos and some1 to test the bot gets same punishment now that's why this is a failure.

Trub · May 30, 2010, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

See stage 2

LAWL.
I petition Tullzinski to post the 'flow chart of teh denial' on every "I gotz the permabanzord" thread.

This post will prolly be mod-whiped...but here, I'll throw in something...on topic...

ANet has always had a strong stance against botting in any form.
Some countries have found economic 'niches' in gold selling...ergo they hire peasants to work in 'gold farming' mills.
ANet discovers many, many, many bots daily.
ANet bans said bots daily.
Gold farming 'industries' are bad assed- they continue to buy up low cost accounts, and or just steal them outright from their...erm...customers that make purchases on line.
ANet will continue the daily battle against gold sellers, but just as every other on line game out there..it's who has the most resources to give towards this battle.
ANet has show us (as of 05/29/10)- they have modified their resources, and staff to meet this challenge.
It's looking pretty good to me so far..

Of course they can't ban EVERY SINGLE gold farmer...pffftt..all on line gaming companies dream that dream...but at least they are stepping up on the enforcement/punishment!!
I applaud ANet for their efforts with the PvP/PvE farm bots..I have seen the difference so far.
(And like I stated earlier..it ain't over till the fat lady sings....)

cormac ap dunn · May 30, 2010, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Kiky

Which crap? The crap that the botters got away who werent playing 2 weeks before ban or those who didnt inject dll?
Or the crap that is going on for 5 yrs about the gold selling, that the price of ecto on some sites is not even slightly changing after the incredible flashy bans? And the fact that many many accounts have been stolen/hack and used for gold farming?

My guess is that you keep up with these sites for "research purposes" right? Come on man. The ax fell, your neck was firmly in place. No matter what you say on this site no one here is going to change the ban. A petition should fall on deaf ears, as only the guilty and trolls would sign it.

To use any excuse period is foolish, a friend did it? you are responsible for your computer. I didn't know what it did? then you shouldn't have touched it. I was just trying it once? once or a million times you used something you know could make this happen. The list goes on and on.

The only people i have seen on these forums fighting to get their accounts back have all admitted some degree of guilt. Facts are, guilty is guilty, the innocent will be fine, hence they aren't on public forums crying about a ban, they are waiting on support and they know they will be fine

Danny Used Frenzy · May 30, 2010, 09:22 PM // 21:22

As a botter who was banned, anyone who botted and was banned and is now complaining is someone I'd rather not associate with. We knew the risks and consequences, and it was fun while it lasted.
Now it's time to move on, restock our account stockpiles with the ectos on the accounts that ANet somehow missed, and relax.

That said, in the days since the banscythe, ANet hasn't shown any increased ability to detect non-injected bots, namely interface-based bots.

Danny Used Frenzy · May 30, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Trub

Yet.

Tuesday isn't here yet....yet....yet(TM)

Unless ANet begins checking for outside processes, the only other possibility for catching interface-based bots is repetitive actions, but any good scripter understands that value of Random() and generated imperfection.

To quote one of the best scripters I've had the pleasure of talking to: "Writing bots is about the challenge." The more challenges ANet gives the community, the more chances we have to hone our skills.

Trub · May 30, 2010, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Danny Used Frenzy

Unless ANet begins checking for outside processes, the only other possibility for catching interface-based bots is repetitive actions, but any good scripter understands that value of Random() and generated imperfection.

To quote one of the best scripters I've had the pleasure of talking to: "Writing bots is about the challenge." The more challenges ANet gives the community, the more chances we have to hone our skills.

I wasn't privy to sit in on the new staff's interviews when they were hired...*shrug*
But, that is WHY they were hired..(plural)

Ka Tet · May 30, 2010, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Trub

I wasn't privy to sit in on the new staff's interviews when they were hired...*shrug*
But, that is WHY they were hired..(plural)

I wasn't there, I have no way of knowing what happened, but this is exactly what happened.
Sorry to use your quote, but these threads are running rampant with people making assurances and statements of fact that they are entirely unqualified to make.